An article on the dialogue between Prof. Hirata and Yoichi Ochiai was published!
The following URL is the article of the discussion between Prof. Hirata and Yoichi Ochiai. Please take a look.
https://note-moonshot.jst.go.jp/n/n5a2319ea54b
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The following URL is the article of the discussion between Prof. Hirata and Yoichi Ochiai. Please take a look.
https://note-moonshot.jst.go.jp/n/n5a2319ea54b